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Holocaust-Free Speech-Prophet Mohammad!

Posted by Parsin on March 28, 2008

Most of us have heard about “doubts”, “exaggerations”, or “denials” about holocaust. Regardless of which one we believe or not, today most western countries have banned any discussion that could end up in any doubts about the subject “Holocaust”. That means, historians, researchers, and scientists are not allowed to enter this field!! We never ask why?

There has been many brave people in these western countries who, understanding the consequences, have expressed their views. Later, they were put in court and probably jailed for saying what they have found through their research!! It reminds us of dark ages where, scientists were supposed to back up what the cleric organization beliefs!! Otherwise, they were sentenced to be torture and death!

On the other hand, since few years ago, some people in western (mostly European) countries have been following a scenario that more and more deepens the gap between people of different beliefs (and mainly Moslems and Christians). They have been doing this through writing insulting books, drawing offensive Cartoons, making baseless films, . . . and using worldwide media to spread them.

The experience has showed that these actions have never improved any thing. Instead, they have been a cause to raise extremists in Moslem countries. Therefore, it would be logical to conclude that those who are behind these scenarios, would like to see Moslems to move toward extreme actions!

These scenarios are planned and directed by those who knowingly created terrorists like “Osama Bin Ladan”, in order to show to the world that Islam is a religion of torture and terror. These are created by those who were behind the New York Towers terror, to build a capacity inside and outside their countries for justifying attacks and state terrors on other countries, to massacre and torture innocent people. These are planned by those who are following Huntington’s idea of war between civilizations. They are knowingly pushing people into war . . . .!

16 Responses to “Holocaust-Free Speech-Prophet Mohammad!”

  1. Parsin wrote:

    Most of us have heard about “doubts”, “exaggerations”, or “denials” about holocaust. Regardless of which one we believe or not, today most western countries have banned any discussion that could end up in any doubts about the subject “Holocaust”. That means, historians, researchers, and scientists are not allowed to enter this field!!………….

  2. Part II in response to Parsin:

    Believe me Parsin, there is no exaggeration about the Holocaust. Pictures don’t lie. American Historians have studied this subject thoroughly. They have visited Holocaust survivors or the living families of victims.

    I have seen documentaries where elderly former Nazis spoke rather honestly in length about the atrocities they personally witnessed. Many of these have quotes from Christians living in Germany and Nazi-Occupied Countries during that era who literally hid Jews from the Nazis.

    In Hitlers notorious book, “Mein Kampf,” he speaks in depth about his distaste for Jews and actually diagrams his plans for them, which he carried out to the letter!

    The only regions in the world any doubt has arisen about the authenticity of the Holocaust is the Middle-East and Persian Gulf. And let’s face it, these are not places privy to many Jews from Hitler’s atrocity.

    Here is another hyperlink that offers first-hand evidence: http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/ww2era.htm

  3. A RATIONAL NOTE: With regard to the now 60-year Israeli-Palestinian conflict, I have only one question to ask: Is land a sane reason to be in conflict for six decades, to see hundreds of thousands of human beings lose their lives?

    If some crazy lunatic family wanted claim to my land, would I fight him and his family to the death? The answer is absolutely not. I am no martyr; live is too important to me. I can always find another home and replace money. But I can’t replace human lives lost!

  4. Parsin said

    Glenn:
    I am not ignoring Holocaust. But I believe it has been both “exaggerated” and “misused” for the cause of Zionism and to fool American people now for the support US government is giving to Israel.

    And my question is “why any doubt and/or denial of Holocaust is banned by European countries?!”

    Isn’t this in contradiction with the freedom of speech?!
    And if this is justified for any reason, then how come putting a ban on insulting other people’s beliefs, including Islam, Quran, and Prophet Mohammad is not!?

    It is obvious that western countries (governments!) are deliberately fighting against Islam and Moslems. And they are raising extremists in Moslem nations.

  5. Parsin wrote:
    …..It is obvious that western countries (governments!) are deliberately fighting against Islam and Moslems. And they are raising extremists in Moslem nations.

    I couldn’t agree more Parsin. There is an old saying: “Whatever you resist, persists.” My parents found this out the hard way almost 40 years ago when trying to combat my liberal values and participation in the American peace movement of the ’60s. I was in high school at the time.

    I can’t speak objectively for the Europeans. I suspect their attitude has much to do with the wide scope of Hitler’s invasion of Europe. Many of the still-living older folks there did personally witness the terror in their countries under Nazi occupation, while the younger citizens never got to meet their grandparents or lost their parents to the Gestapo’s mass murders.

    Yet, this is still not an excuse to squash freedom of expression. But that’s Europe, and they don’t live by our Constitution — which was considered revolutionary when it was written. Our ancestors created it in a way that offered unprecedented freedoms never seen in Europe at the time (or to some extent, even now).

    What I can tell you with certainty is Muslims I know here in my region of America (Southeast Florida) have told me how at peace they are with practicing Islam here. They do feel free to express their annoyance at the government for Islamic racial profiling — mostly in the Midwest — since 9/11. And then again, so do I. Bin Laden and his lunatic followers were responsible, not the entire Muslim world.

  6. Parsin said

    Glenn wrote:
    A RATIONAL NOTE: With regard to the now 60-year Israeli-Palestinian conflict, I have only one question to ask: Is land a sane reason to be in conflict for six decades, to see hundreds of thousands of human beings lose their lives?
    ——————————
    My Response:

    This is what Palestinians also are asking!! They are not seeking more bloodshed. What they want is peace. It is obvious that to have peace Israel must allow all Palestinians to return their homes. Then there must be a free election that would include Palestinians and Jews to choose their form of government!! This is democracy!

    Do you know that at least for last 3 decade, since the idea of one-government was suggested both Israel and US opposed it. They don’t want peace… What they are looking is to force Palestinians to accept their conditions. They are doing this by killing them everyday.

    You see Israel, under no circumstances would and could go by democracy. It is an “Apartheid Regime” and determined to go into history.

    One more thing, Glenn; you mentioned that you are not Jewish and that you are humanist!! It seems to me that you worry about Israel more than any other Jew !!!

  7. Parsin said

    I totally agree with you on your recent comment. My feeling is that Europe has been following a dangerous path in last 2-3 decades. They are humiliating a religion for what some people have done. Those who are playing this game know very well the consequences of their actions.

    You are a political science person and you know very well that there are people behind the politicians that plan things. They are the unseen masterminds behind many things.

    The story of Bin Laden is a very complex issue. It might take half a century until we truly understand who set him up. Based on what I have seen, after the revolution in Iran, US and western countries along with their allies in the region got the warning that everything might go out of their hands. And noticing how important the Persian golf region was (and is) for them, they had to do something to stop spread of movements against the west and US in particular. US and Europe encouraged and helped Saddam in a war that destroyed the social-economical structure of both countries, beside the death of millions of people. Germany provided chemical weapons to Saddam.

    In parallel to that they had to prove to western people that Islam is dangerous, a religion of torture, terror, ignorance, . . . They set up “Taliban” and “Osama Bin Laden” in Afghanistan. US repeatedly called them “mojahedin” “freedeom fighters”. . . . It is a long story . . .

    Taliban was enough to show how bad Islam is!!! Then they turned them into a terrorist group and used them there. Many argue that US secret police (CIA, FBI) knew about Sep 11. Many believe that the only one who could benefit from Sep. 11 was the US government. At the time world was waiting for a mono-polar system, it was the time also US could prove that she is the sole power of the world. . . . Sep. 11 was done by a jerk named Bin Laden but indirectly directed by top US secret officials. . . And you know that secret forces infiltrate into these groups and accomplish what they need through their enemy.

    Islam, by no means, allows anyone to be killed in a terror action. Talibans are completely an exceptional groups that their understanding of Islam is limited to their dirty life of drug trade. And I must say, US was successful in this goal unlike their defeat in other fields.

  8. Parsin:

    I do my best to listen to your perspective without judgment. Whether I agree with you or not, I will be honest and say so.

    Please allow me to respond to a few comments you made:

    “…….This is what Palestinians also are asking!! They are not seeking more bloodshed. What they want is peace. It is obvious that to have peace Israel must allow all Palestinians to return their homes. Then there must be a free election that would include Palestinians and Jews to choose their form of government!! This is democracy!…..”

    ***************

    Yes, Parsin, that is what the (lawful and rational) PALESTINIANS are asking. But the Islamic Terrorists there have gone on record numerous times over the years as being opposed to even the existence of Israel. They have stated their goal to be its total destruction. Are you asking the Israelis to just put up with the human suicide bombings of Hamas and Hezbolah? Would you?

    On the other hand, Israel should have given the Palestinians back their sovereignty over the West Bank and Gaza Strip decades ago. But they are afraid that would bring the terrorists closer to their borders. And those radicals also need to agree to respect Israel’s right to exist.
    So guess what, they – the Israel government and the Radical Islamists – are both wrong. In my book, they both shoulder the blame equally.

    ____________________________

    “Glenn; you mentioned that you are not Jewish and that you are humanist!! It seems to me that you worry about Israel more than any other Jew !!!”

    ****************

    It’s not so much Israel that is my concern as the stand I have taken against terrorism, for any reason, and for sovereignty.

    That is, I do not like the French the very much. They have bad-mouthed my country and its people for decades. When our tourists go over there, they intentionally try to screw them. But I would be against any terrorist organization attacking France and support the country — even if I’m not happy with so many of its citizens.

    Similarly, I am not very enthralled with Israelis. Those I have met here in the U.S. were rude, crude, obnoxious, egotistical and cunning businessmen/women.

    There is quite a difference between American Jews and Israelis. In fact, I have never visited Israel, nor would I. Yet, if invited to Iran, I would go (if I had the money at the time). Why, because Iranians have always treated me well; Israelis have not!

    Yet again, I have a problem with terrorists. I support both Palestine’s and Israel’s right to exist side by side in peace. What I don’t support is the terror.

    If the terrorists would put on uniforms, the Israeli military would be able to go after them and leave the poor, innocent Palestinian civilians alone. But the terrorists choose to hide out among the masses, exposing the innocent to violence.

    ___________________________________

    ” The story of Bin Laden is a very complex issue. It might take half a century until we truly understand who set him up. Based on what I have seen, after the revolution in Iran, US and western countries along with their allies in the region got the warning that everything might go out of their hands. And noticing how important the Persian golf region was (and is) for them, they had to do something to stop spread of movements against the west and US in particular. US and Europe encouraged and helped Saddam in a war that destroyed the social-economical structure of both countries, beside the death of millions of people. Germany provided chemical weapons to Saddam.

    In parallel to that they had to prove to western people that Islam is dangerous, a religion of torture, terror, ignorance, . . . They set up “Taliban” and “Osama Bin Laden” in Afghanistan. US repeatedly called hem “mojahedin” “freedom fighters”. . . . It is a long story . . .

    Taliban was enough to show how bad Islam is!!! Then they turned them into a terrorist group and used them there. Many argue that US secret police (CIA, FBI) knew about Sep 11. Many believe that the only one who could benefit from Sep. 11 was the US government. At the time world was waiting for a mono-polar system, it was the time also US could prove that she is the sole power of the world. . . . Sep. 11 was done by a jerk named Bin Laden but indirectly directed by top US secret officials. . . And you know that secret forces infiltrate into these groups and accomplish what they need through their enemy.”

    ********************

    I’ve never been much of a conspiracy theorist my friend. The U.S. doesn’t have secret police. The FBI is right out in the open. The CIA is our foreign intelligence network and work strictly abroad. And like all other nation’s intelligence agencies, they use dirty and despicable tactics that most Americans don’t agree with at all.

    I have enough respect for human beings to hold them responsible for both their good deeds and their transgressions. Nobody can force their hands. Remember, I blame the American people for eight years of George W. Bush. They put him in office, and those who voted for him have no right in my mind to moan and groan about the man. But I didn’t vote for him, so I have the right to trash the bastard.

  9. Marissa said

    I’m jewish. In both heritage and practice. And I do believe in The Holocaust. But I also believe that the Holocaust has been used inappropriately to rationalize the extreme mis-treatment of Palestinians. I do not support Israel’s policies at all. In fact, if you want to check out what I really believe go to http://www.nimn.org It’s a website called Not In My Name. And its for Jewish people who are proud of their heritage but are not proud to associate themselves with the state of Israel. I look forward to a day when Palestinians will be treated as equal and given the right to vote in Israel’s “democracy”. I am in no way anti-Jewish. I AM Jewish. But I do believe that the Jews are ignoring history quite a bit. The treatment of the Palestinians is beginning to look quite a bit like the treatment of Jews in pre-war Germany. Rights being stripped away one by one. And countless atroscities being carried out and hidden under the blanket of the military. I’m a freshmen in college and one of my good friends is a Palestinian Muslima. She has told me when she goes back to Palestine to visit her family it takes her hours to travel a couple miles because of checkpoints. It just doesn’t seem fair to me. I mean, why can’t Israel just give the poor Palestinians West Bank and Gaza Strip. They already have all the prime land, whats the harm in giving the mistreated Palestinians even just a little land and the right to the pursuit of happiness. As a jewish woman, I would like to apologize on behalf of my people for the treatment of the Palestinians. I can’t imagine how horrible it would be to suddenly have your homes, land, and rights stripped away for no reason at all. I hope and pray every-day for a future in which Muslims, Jews, and even Christians share the Holy Land and live in peace. I believe it IS possible. The FAR majority of Palestinians just want to be left alone and aren’t violent in the least bit. Peace is possible. Israelis just need to give peace a chance. I have a feeling that if the Palestinians had some rights of their own they wouldn’t feel such a need to strike back. And I know I’m sounding like a Jewish traitor. But in the area I live most of the Jews feel the same way I do.

  10. Parsin said

    Marissa,
    You have so wonderful and bright views and it’s like I am writing those words.

    I totally agree with ALL of what you said. The problem is not our religions, it is the powers who misuse it as they do on the science and other things.

    I am also sure that one day, Jews, Muslims, Christians and all other believers and even non-believers will peacefully live together to make a better world as the God has promised to all of us.

  11. Marissa said

    Thank you for your kind words Parsin. In my synagogue we have lunches and meeting with the local mosque. We talk about getting a moderate into power in Israel and restoring the true democracy and giving Palestinians their God-given rights back. Every person, regardless of nationality or creed, deserves and equal opportunity to have a fulfilling life with all the freedoms God has granted them. I pray every night for the future generation to wise-up and see the truth of the atroscities happening in Palestine. I still don’t understand why the government of Israel felt that in order to give Jewish people their rights they had to strip the Palestinians of theirs. The world is an unfair place. But I have hope for the future of mankind. I believe that there are people who want peace, on both sides. I also believe Palestinians have been made out by the media to all be suicide-bombers and extremists. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Let us all pray for the future of the Palestinians and Israelites. That someday they may have equal rights and live in harmony together.
    ————————
    Marissa,
    Your feelings toward Palestinians are so kind and humanistic. I hope others from both sides could feel the same. If only US people could convince the US government to stop their full and blind support of all crimes and bloodsheds committed by Israel, and to stop vetoing UN resolutions that are in condemnation of Israel, then there would be enough momentum to pressure that government to end its apartheid policies and start making real changes. This would be possible through lowering the power of Jewish lobby in US. They are pushing US in to many problems . . .
    Glenn told me that you are at college. I wish you the best in your classes!

  12. Glenn said

    Parsin, in a response to Marissa wrote:

    “…. If only US people could convince the US government to stop their full and blind support of all crimes and bloodsheds committed by Israel, and to stop vetoing UN resolutions that are in condemnation of Israel, then there would be enough momentum to pressure that government to end its apartheid policies and start making real changes. This would be possible through lowering the power of Jewish lobby in US…..”

    Parsin:

    I’ve already stated on this blog that the Israelis are far too militant for my taste. And as Marissa pointed out, they need a far more moderate government, although the masses there seem to love the hawks like Sharon.

    But buddy, I keep telling you there is no powerful Jewish lobby in this country, and there isn’t. We are such an insignificant minority, it’s unreal.

    America is a White-Anglo-Saxon-Protestant (WASP) dominated country and always has been. Until WWII, Jews were discriminated against in the U.S. with regularity.

    In fact, I believe I told you my biological maternal grandfather — whom I never received the opportunity to know — was murdered in an anti-semitic attack in his own backyard. He had been threatened and told to get out of town. My mother was only 12. It screwed up her mind so badly, she never lived in peace since. And my father got beat up as a kid by Christians and told “You killed Jesus Christ.”

    For God’s sake, Christ was dead for 1,927 years when my father was born.

  13. Parsin said

    My Friend Glenn,

    I don’t know why you are mixing up two separate issues.

    There was discriminations on Jews, I understand that, as I understand that there is still discriminations going on mainly in Europe and US against other minorities. I am neither denying it nor would like to put more emphasis on that issue in here.

    Jews are a minority in US, is also understandable. My view, as most of others, including some well known Americans is that among this minority, there are those, whom under the Jewish Lobby and other institutions are sacrificing US interests and US people in the interest of the Israel regime.
    As you mentioned, people in Israel favor criminals like Sharon. The reason is very obvious, that country is actually fighting all the times. It is natural, that under this condition, people would support extremists.

    The solution to the problem of Israel is in the US not the Middle-east!! As long as US supports Israelis for their criminal actions, for their atomic bomb, for their invasions in South Lebanon, for killing innocent Palestinians, there would be no change in Israel’s policy and you will see more extremists getting into power one after another. In this dilemma, Jewish Lobby is the key to the whole problems.
    I am afraid, they will push US into another and other wars.

  14. Glenn said

    Again, my friend, the Jewish lobby is not very consequential in U.S. foreign policy in the Middle-East. Actually, Israel has been the only nation that has remained loyal to the U.S. all these years.

    Although the Saudis are on good terms with us, our relationship is more about mutual business interests then anything else. Plus, the Saudis have not been aggressive or initiated any wars with or toward Israel since I can remember.

    But with Iraq under Saddam and Iran — since it became a theocracy in 1979 — labeling Israel as its enemy, we haven’t been very accomodating to either of them. And it’s only fair to point out that my country’s government never forgot the innocent American hostages your country held for over a year back then. It left a sour taste in its mouth.

    With regard to Sharon, I never liked him because I never liked aggressive war mongers. But he is not a criminal. I don’t know if you are aware of it, but it seems you misuse that term often.
    Because a leader is the enemy of your country doesn’t necessarily make him a criminal.

    The old Communist leaders during the Cold War, Russia’s Nakita Khrushev and China’s Mao Tse Tung were our enemies. But we never thought of them as criminals. There is a distinction!

  15. Parsin said

    Glenn,
    Regarding Jewish Lobby’s power in US foreign policy, it is very clear, and I wonder why you are denying it. As I mentioned in one of my posts, I refer you to Jimmy Carter (I also put link to a Youtube video). And you can just go back to their history and power on US government to find out the fact. However, I think you will not change your mind about this lobby and I respect it.

    Sharon is a criminal not because he was an enemy of my country! There are many enemies I never call them a criminal. Sharon massacred defenseless innocent Palestinian people over and over in this nasty life. His brutal killings in “Sabra” and “Shatila” will never be forgotten from the memory of kids and women who saw their loved ones were brutally killed in front of their eyes.

    Glenn, I am sure you care about innocent people of Palestine to an extent to what happened to Jews by Hitler. Israel is doing much worse crimes than Hitler did. At that time there was no Human Rights groups! There was no media coverage, as there is today. Cold-blooded Israelis are killing these people, and the world, including the Human Rights group, are only observers of these crimes. US government backs these crimes. And there is no doubt that Jewish Lobby is behind most of these supports.

    May I ask you, an american, for what interests US is spending so much money on Israel?!! Don’t tell me it is because of terrorism, although it has been a good mean to cover their true intentions. US has enough good friends in the meddle-east. Why they don’t have such a relations with them!??? Is there any ideological common interests between US and Israel to justify these costs? Or it is just because of a minority Jewish Lobby that governs the US government today?!! And I am afraid they will push US and innocent American people into an unwanted World War III.

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